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    Time, Space, God.

    Time. Space. God. These things are oh so interesting. These are things that I cannot stop thinking about. These things are not science fiction, fantasy, or some other fake reality, these things are a very real puzzle.

    Christians have argued with me, fought with me, and even cast me out. For this fact, I have come to hate most Christians. It is not enough for me to pick up this book and begin to worship it; to believe or have faith without knowing for certain. They have told me I will burn in their hell for this. I'd rather burn in hell than close my mind. I think outside of the box; I question.

    I have wondered for months upon months about time, space, and god. If there is an afterlife, a heaven, ect, this leaves us with two seperate worlds. The physical world, and the spiritual world. In the spiritual world, if you are Christian, something like god, something that has always been and always will be, can exist. However, in the physical world, things must be logical. Everything, in this world, must have a beginning and an end. Therefore, space must have an end, for this is physical world, and everything must be logical. Think about it. You are now sitting in a room. What is outside of this room? The rest of your house. What is on the outside of your house? Your street perhaps, followed by your city, and your state. Then your country, continent, other continents, and eventually, Earth itself. Then, you enter the marvelous wonder that is space. You keep traveling. Space, more space, and yet more space. You pass solar system after solar system. You pass universe after universe. You travel and travel and travel. Surely, this vast space must end. After all, again, this is the physical world and everything must be logical. Therefore, there must be an end. This seems logical enough. Then, you think, how can space simply end? It can't, but why? Think about it. Space is supposedly the final fronteir; the end. So what it outside of space? Is there even an outside? There can't be, unless it's just more space. Otherwise, space would simply be a huge room suspended inside of a whole bunch of nothing. Unless outside of space is a vacuum. If this is so, space is forever expanding. This suggests a point of creation; a beginning, because there must have been a point to start expanding from.

    So, let's go back to the beginning. The beginning of time and space. A blank canvas, if you will. We will call this "Absolute Nothing." Could there have ever been Absolute Nothing? Logic suggests that there must have been. However, if there was ever Absolute Nothing, there would still be Absolute Nothing, because nothing can be formed from nothing. Therefore, these must have been some sort of "trigger," if you will, that began creation; a "god," we can call it, that started it all. This isn't logical, though. It's not possible.

    Which brings me to all that I can conclude at this point. In the beginning, there was nothing, Absolute Nothing, because the in the physical world, there is always a beginning and an end to everything. A trigger or mechanism or some sort began time, space, and everyting in between. However, the ignorance of the human mind blocks this perception. Therefore, until this barrier is removed, we will not allow ourselves to ever comprehend.

    I expect respect from you. My studies are important to me, and this is a very real puzzle. To me, it is not a waste of time. Please leave good discussion questions or comments. I want to get a debate going that might bring us to further conclusion. After all, you may have thought of something that I haven't. I do not wish to offend those who are strongly religious, I simply wish to share me beleif. Thank you for your time.

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    Quite deep, makes sense. I have a theory about the universe that I've shared with a few people:

    "Infinite ebbing" I call it, dunno if someone else came up with it first, but whatever.

    The initial facts and bases. . . I think the universe is infinite, but there are still big bangs and big crunches happening everywhere. How is this? Because, I believe, of the existence of black holes at the centers of galaxies.

    The theory goes like this: black holes eventually eat up all the galaxies in surrounding space, then what? They attract each other. After all of the black holes have merged, the big giant black hole of death does what black holes do: sit and deteriorate slowly due to the lack of "fuel" (matter). Black holes slowly lose mass in the form of Hawking radiation (correct me if I'm wrong). Once a black hole becomes unstable, surprise! Explosion. There you have your big bang - from the explosion of a supermassive black hole.

    Now for the big picture: hence the name "infinite ebbing", the universe is constantly going through the said black hole-based regeneration ("ebbing"), in certain regions at a time (all matter, mo matter how dense, loses gravitational force after a certain distance, that's why they don't all merge into one hole, at least not often). I also sez that hole-based regeneration like this will be, and has been cycling, forever ("infinite").


    Voila. I won't go into the whole religion thing, I'm a man of science.

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    First of all, i know you didn't make at all that text.

    So i'm do not believe in god, because i never liked question without an answer.
    As for space, i think for myself, space is the nothing. Because black=no color
    and white=all color mix together. So the fact of space being black, could lead me to a conclusion that space is the nothing. Each thing as his end right? Human can say space is the infinity, but they can't prove it. I'm also questioning on the gravity, like how a ball can float in nothing.What comes up must comes down. This is basically the law of gravity.


    Time, was it always there? If time was from beginning then Space would'nt have an infinity. Since Time must start from somewhere. So was time created after the big bang.
    When everything started moving slowly?


    Since the beginning of religion, people developped theory on the after death.
    Some tough the spirit would reincarnate in another corpse.
    Other would go to heaven.

    If so, our body does not only need organ to work....

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    I didn't read all that. But isn't time something that we humans have made? It is fake.

    I think I know what you mean though by "time". Maybe existence and life? So why is there life? So many people have tried to answer this. For example, Christians believe that they know "the answer to life". I don't think we should attempt to answer that one.

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    Time is hardly fake. Lemme compare:

    - Mass is measured in grams (g), this is a measure of the absolute weight of a substance (measure of the amount of matter)
    -- Mass is observed at one time by measuring ab object against preset weights.

    - Time is measured in seconds (sec), this is a measure of the speeed at which empathy changes into entropy (as organization turns to randomness).
    -- Time is observed constantly as empathy in objects changes to entropy.

    Gathering this, if time is fake then mass is fake. And it definitely is not. Universe - mass = wtf?!?1one.

    Time is confusing because it's an abstract concept (do YOU know what empathy and entropy are?); and it appears to be a scalar measure (2 dimensions - because it is observed as constantly changing) but it's not. Time is so freaking confusing and abstract that you can expect a new topic concerning it, by me, probably tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyreal
    I didn't read all that. But isn't time something that we humans have made? It is fake.

    I think I know what you mean though by "time". Maybe existence and life? So why is there life? So many people have tried to answer this. For example, Christians believe that they know "the answer to life". I don't think we should attempt to answer that one.
    Time is real, kindof, it's just demension. Things go wide, high, deep, then through time.

    Anyway. I Agree with what you basicly said, even science suggests that there was nothing, in which case there HAS to be some sort of god. As science "proves" that we can not make somthing out of nothing.

    God disclaimer: I said there had to be a god, but I am not thinking religiously in that comment. I only call it "god" because that is a word that is understood as a supernatural all powerful being.

    Ok this is a little off topic, but while I'm thinking about god, I have to explain my theory that the only where there could ever be a peacful society, of humans, is through a god. God, by definition is good, and always had, always will be. So, unless we as a race let god controll us, we CANNOT have peace. Anything exept for god can change which means anything but god can be evil, not will be, but can. And anything hat can change, does. As far as I can tell :]) So if we put ourselfs under the controll of anything any setup or anything but god, there will be some sort of curruption, so god is really the only government that works. Now, that stinks because we can't talk to god, at least not verbaly "most of us". And, of course, there is confusion on which god, and if there is a god so iit won't work. so we set up the best goernment we have. But the best we have isn't very good from my veiw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickster
    Quote Originally Posted by Fyreal
    I didn't read all that. But isn't time something that we humans have made? It is fake.

    I think I know what you mean though by "time". Maybe existence and life? So why is there life? So many people have tried to answer this. For example, Christians believe that they know "the answer to life". I don't think we should attempt to answer that one.
    Time is real, kindof, it's just demension. Things go wide, high, deep, then through time.

    Anyway. I Agree with what you basicly said, even science suggests that there was nothing, in which case there HAS to be some sort of god. As science "proves" that we can not make somthing out of nothing.

    God disclaimer: I said there had to be a god, but I am not thinking religiously in that comment. I only call it "god" because that is a word that is understood as a supernatural all powerful being.

    Ok this is a little off topic, but while I'm thinking about god, I have to explain my theory that the only where there could ever be a peacful society, of humans, is through a god. God, by definition is good, and always had, always will be. So, unless we as a race let god controll us, we CANNOT have peace. Anything exept for god can change which means anything but god can be evil, not will be, but can. And anything hat can change, does. As far as I can tell :]) So if we put ourselfs under the controll of anything any setup or anything but god, there will be some sort of curruption, so god is really the only government that works. Now, that stinks because we can't talk to god, at least not verbaly "most of us". And, of course, there is confusion on which god, and if there is a god so iit won't work. so we set up the best goernment we have. But the best we have isn't very good from my veiw.
    If everyone believed in the same thing, then life would be bland. No arguements like this, no conflicts, no nothing. There would be no freedom to do anything. Basically, it would suck.

    Back on the other theory, the whole concept is confusing. Because space cant just END. I mean, would it just be a wall? If it is then what is containing us? And if it goes forever...then that just is generaly impossible. But then again, what else could there be. There isn't anything between something and nothing. BUT THEN AGAIN, there could but we just haven't found it yet. We are just basing these theories on what we know. So, untill we find out more about everything, we can't even make guesses like these. We can't say anything is impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistrbritesyd

    If everyone believed in the same thing, then life would be bland. No arguements like this, no conflicts, no nothing. There would be no freedom to do anything. Basically, it would suck.
    I disagree....kinda. Yes, it would suck if we all had the exact same beleives. But we woulden't. Each person would have their relationship with god, it wouldn't be a government... THere would be freedom, we would exept each others differences, but we could still disagree. And we would still argue, but it would be progressive, we would argue to figue out how to do better, rather than assert our own beleifs and crush others.

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    I bet SA makes a big post here

    Hmm, I believe everything has a reason some way or another or can be explained etc. I have very mixed views about most things like this although I side mainly towards scientific theroys.

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    Well, god exist,i think.... i am not christian, or satanic or anything like that!

    But i belive in ghosts energies and healing, and i have myself excperiated healing, and done it a bit myself!

    WHen you die, you're soul goes into Enery, you get drawn to the big place...or so called 'god'

    it is different levels of ghosts, angels etc and helpers.

    And Haunted houses, is just humans that have had somthing unfinished on the earth that were wery important, or they are afraid of going into energy, or they cant leave the house because they're in love twith it or somtihng...
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